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In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. .mw-parser-output .RMbox{box-shadow:0 2px 2px 0 rgba(0,0,0,.14),0 1px 5px 0 rgba(0,0,0,.12),0 3px 1px -2px rgba(0,0,0,.2)}.mw-parser-output .RMinline{float:none;width:100%;margin:0;border:none}.mw-parser-output table.routemap{padding:0;border:0;border-collapse:collapse;background:transparent;white-space:nowrap;line-height:1.2;margin:auto}.mw-parser-output table.routemap .RMcollapse{margin:0;border-collapse:collapse;vertical-align:middle}.mw-parser-output table.routemap 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.RMbsw{width:280px;min-width:280px}.mw-parser-output .RMir .RM_bsw{width:300px;min-width:300px}, This underground station opened on April 9, 1936, as part of an extension of the Independent Subway System (IND) from its previous Brooklyn terminus at Jay StreetBorough Hall, which opened three years earlier, to Rockaway Avenue. As you point out, the area already has subway service. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. Thats right, build subways to validate els. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. 3 and 4 train service through East . [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. What do you figure the cost of the subway portion of the line to be? Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. And D as well if cut-and-cover is used. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. Off-center over roadway. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. Lets get it built! [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. It will be express. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. It is actually located between Schenectady and Utica Avenues and the two exits lead to the middle of the block, several feet from the actual cross street. This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. 4. Pseudo-viaducts. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. In 1951 Bergen Beach hadn't yet gained its acreage of tract housing. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. An elevated extension known as Route No. The first plan offers the highest operational flexibility and allows a continuation of both local and express trains to access Nostrand Ave but would cost close to $1 billion and require extensive excavation. Make no little plans, Daniel Burnham is purported to have said, they have no magic to stir mens blood. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Planning may have actually begun. And why tear down the whole Broadway EL? Skip stop on Fulton? I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. Freeway-style concrete pillars. Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Youre less likely to be the goat. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. The same happens if the A leaves. I have two comments. Doesnt matter. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. [3] You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. Off-road (Chicago style). still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. And theres no room there for it. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. See the problem? Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. They must be pillar free for security. 10. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. mind=the same The station has four tracks and two island platforms, typical for a four-track express station. subways or open cut sections. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. We dont need to tear down the EL. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. The victim was found. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. I thought that was my craziest but. The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. North of Fulton theres a park for it to curve through, similar to your design for the Second Ave. Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. [8][9][10] On April 28, 1908, the IRT formally applied with the New York Public Service Commission for permission to open the final section of the Contract 2 line from Borough Hall to Atlantic Avenue near the Flatbush Avenue LIRR station. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). Stations are going to be more expensive no matter what because so much more is expected of them now. It's a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Hey, me again. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. 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