That's 2 hours on the bus, 9 hours on Amtrak's Sunset Limited. Fullerton, Anaheim, Irvine and Santa Ana have Amtrak and metrolink as well as freeways. Now I dont even use half of it (but my Wifi at home is bad and so I dont want to get rid of it). While it wasnt the only straw to break the proverbial camels back at OldJob, going from a 20 minute commute to at least an hour and 10 minutes was hellish for me. Even then I thought I had no time for anything outside of work! When I was really tired, even audiobooks and nuts couldnt keep me awake. Oops, I posted something else before I saw this. Is it possible to break into the beauty industry as a remote worker, ie not living in NYC or LA? Probably even some of the more steamy paranormal romances too I wouldnt want to listen to Im very conscious of the audibility of what Im listening to outside my vehicle, because I regularly overhear peoples in car telephone conversations!). There are crappy parts and amazing parts and it sounds like a lot of us call this place home. Might be a city for you to target in your job search. I miss some things about city life, but I dont miss city commutes, and I will have to be living somewhere amazing to go back to that kind of lifestyle. door to door. I moved closer to the city and managed to cut the commute down to about an hour but then bit the bullet and moved into NYC where I now walk to work. My commute from my outer borough is roughly 70-90 minutes one way. Would any of those get you there faster? I feel for you. Zero. Its very specific to you. Ehhh, no, I think its valid for the boyfriend to point out that a 2-hour commute is often normal in LA and the surrounding areas. Long Beach) are three distinct metropolitan areas. My husband and I both have different Costcos we prefer, which both take about the same amount of travel time. If you're working a long day (especially with overtime) you find yourself with very little time to do anything outside of work. The last time I was in Eastern Cali was going to Reno during Obamas first run and Prop 8Ive never wanted out of somewhere so bad and I was just passing through. Ill be sure to check those out! If I were a person who minded, this would be a deal breaker. I lived in LA for almost 30 years, grew up there, learned to drive there. Im willing to exchange a longer commute for the ability to live at home the way I want to. Commuting sucks and I hope you can find something closer to you! This is so bad for the environment it makes me want to cry. LA traffic is no joke and unless you are able to afford living right next to your work, it is just how its going to be. Hope you dont mind me interjecting, but I can recommend something if you like smart comedy! ! I did not own my part in natural selection. The rest of the year would probably be fine weather-wise! It can easily fudge up to 45+ minutes if Mr. Town and I carpool and we decide to stop for breakfast. It takes me about 45 minutes to get 12 miles to work when I leave at 7:30 AM. I find driving FAR more stressful than the trains, and would probably take a one-hour train ride where I feel like my time is my own over dealing with NJ drivers for 20 minutes. :(. But LA is just so sprawling, and laid out in such an anarchic fasion, I cant imagine a transit system that could resolve these issues (at least in our profit-driven society). God, that is a terrible commute. Thank you everyone for your advice, it definitely played a part in my decision. 6.5 miles. COL wasnt that bad but holy crap after over a decade of having a commute, it was not good on my overall health. I like the time to myself, though, and I have flexibility to telework as needed. So Cal commuting traffic is no joke it may be normal to some people but that doesnt make it ok!! Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show 3.7 million workers travel for two hours or longer every weekday. I was stressed and tired and missed my family. Same! That doesnt have to mean a new car, it can mean things like a nice sound-system, snacks and sunglasses in the seat pocket, nice-smelling stuff if thats what you go for. So yes, it is almost 2 hours to work and 2 hours back to home (friday afternoons are the worst!). Anything under an hour I am okay with. Old job was against traffic, current one iskind of across it. Right now my partner leaves for work at 5am so that he can beat traffic, which is kind of miserable but at least he has the ability to work flexible hours so he can do it. Two hours by car in traffic sounds utterly vile. where is this, omaha? I drove from southeast LA county to central OC for 7 years, about 35 miles each way. I didnt understand traffic until I moved to Los Angeles for a few years after college it was the first time I saw with my own eyes how there could be too many cars on the road. Someone mentioned Santa Monica above you would be hard pressed to find a 1-bedroom apartment for under $2000 a month. You probably wont get this unless you commute in CA, did he say its the first day of spring? I know people who commute from Napa to Oakland, or Sacramento to San Francisco. It was never consistent.) I didnt think anything could be worse than NYC traffic! Today's show will cover all the different aspects of remote work. Im super late to the party (hooray vacation and Feedly), but I lived in Anaheim and worked at USC (downtown LA) for a couple of years. I currently live 15 minutes away from work. Distance in miles is not how the commute is measured in LA/OC, and a 2-hour commute could be entirely normal based on where you live. OP, if you cant quit (or even if you can) I strongly advise you take steps to make your commute as nice and relaxing as possible! That and sleep leave four hours of free time a day at most, if you call it free time when youre getting up, getting dressed, going to bed, cooking, eating, or going to an appointment. Its not over the top. etc. Its notorious for bad traffic and long commutes. I used to live in LB and HB have worked in Santa Monica all the way south to Corona Del Mar. I am lucky that I live and work quite near highway entrances/exits, and I work 7-3 (and usually get to work by 6:30). Subway takes 30 best case and 50 worst case, car takes 18-60. I live in Southern California and my current commute is under 30 minutes. I lived in an RV for a few months. My dad worked in Anaheim, 10, maybe 15 minute drive from home. I am so thankful that I work from home. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. My boyfriend lives in the Yucaipa/Redlands area and commutes 1.5 hrs to Anaheim every day and sees it as the norm, meanwhile I commute from LB to Anaheim (35-1hr) and its the max Im willing to do. Hey, fellow Washingtonians! In the 1980s, my mother drove 45 miles to her job in Closest Big City. I live in OC and my commute into downtown LA would take no more than an hour and a half (I did this for about a year not too long ago) so I dont know how you could live in LA and commute to LA and have it take 2. I live in Silicon Valley. Who cares whats normal if it doesnt work for you! It would not work for lots of people. I often fantasize about either getting a job closer to my home or getting an apartment closer to my work. You have no control over traffic. Also agree that driving would make it much less bearable. My boss now lives in Whittier, his commute is AT LEAST 2 hours on a good day. Commute between one and another at your peril. They say the key to happiness in LA is a short commuteits totally true. My 40 minute commute was in a rural area and it was beautiful, winding road, lakes and lots and lots of wildlife. I went on a business trip to Charlotte one day and we had to drive to the airport during rush hour and I was freaking out wed be late based on my experience with Houston rush hour traffic. I feel like I have no life! So there are a lot of factors. I feel like thats a pretty massive misconception. Eh. I live/work in northern VA (just south of DC), and traffic is notoriously bad here, as well, though not as bad as in LA. After living in a different part of Country California where my commute was 75-90 min each way, then New England where it was 25 min., I was not going to go back to a long commute. Ive been trying to reclaim my commute time and think of it as time to recharge, listen to a podcast or audiobook, basically just enjoy myself as much as possible while sitting still staring at taillights. No, two hours *IS* pretty typicalwe are telling her that its not MANDATORY. I have lived in CA for the last 16 years, & been in LA for the last 13. I used to live in Santa Clara and commuted 11 miles to Mountain View- 55 minute drive. My husband is currently in a similar boat (Long Beach to Burbank), so his commute takes 1.5-2 hours each way. So, a typical commute for me was about 1.5-2 hrs and it absolutely did wear on me. I would have guessed a bit higher. So, not unheard of & it happens in all parts of the country, but definitely terrible. I think this is exactly the problem. Prospect, for those who know the area). Im a young woman who commuted from OC to LA for years via the metro in my early 20s. When my lease ended, I moved to Cathedral Heights, and Ive really loved the neighborhoodI have 25-minute walking commute, and its lovely. The thought of commuting for 4+ hours a day is unfathomable to me a certainly unsustainable! I used to commute on public transit and it took me 1.5 hours (on a good day, 1 hour 10). 45-60 min is way more common. It comes down to how you want to spend your time. You are crossing the ENTIRE LA metropolitan area no matter how you cut it. Im in content marketing and would love to work for a beauty company but I own a house in rural New England and the city lifes not for me. My commute is probably 45 min door to door. Ez. I have a 20 mile drive, 98% freeway, and flex hours, so I can arrive anytime between 7:30 and 9:30 am. whats the weirdest/most inappropriate email signature youve seen? My commute is two miles each way, and I walk it 95% of the time. Everyone has to consider how much more theyre willing to spend to save time getting to work (or how much of a pay cut theyre willing to take to get a job closer to home). Its a 25-30 minute ride. Now my commute is 10-15 minutes, depending on when I leave for work. I have so much more time and am generally happier. The Northeast is pretty good, but the West was largely developed after the invention of cars and things are much more spread out / there has been less investment in public transportation. Instead of arriving early and leaving early, do the opposite (say 10:30am to 6:30pm). Silicon Valley, for example, has tons of jobs, but not enough housing, so people commute from all over, packing the roadways. Stop arguing with your boyfriend. Then we start up again. My partner was doing Pasadena-Westwood for awhile, I think that deserves at least an honorable mention. Oh and the surrounding areas that are between my home and LA lets just say Im not out to gentrify those plots. But oh man, it was like Saturday traffic in the suburb I live in. Its really relaxing and satisfying after a long day, but then again, Im a distance runner, and all of us distance runners are crazy. Granted my go to while focusing on ledger recs is listening to true crime stories on huluso time flies. Brooklyn to Midtown Manhattan here, Im ~45 minutes door to door, ~60 if I get a seat on the local subway and decide to take it the whole way so I can get a nap in. I was a finalist for a job in the LA area a few years ago, and the advice I got from both friends as well as the internal recruiter was not to consider living anymore than 5mi from the office, unless I wanted to have a ridiculous commute. I used to commute between Pomona and Costa Mesa, which was roughly 2 hours each way on the 57, and it was awful. Sure, we could afford living in a shoebox with a 15 minute commute but that wouldnt be preferable. Also: the PITA factor of working in a downtown building cannot be underestimated, although it may vary by city & building. Wow, 150+ comments and no one suggests using the Waze app? In retrospect, though, I wish Id gone with the tradeoff of living in an area I liked less (the see and be seen part of town) for the ability to walk to work. I wouldnt have thought it would take that long but kudos to you for doing it! It has a lot of stops and is fairly well fleshed out (compared to the T in Boston, which Im used to). The commute is one of my top criteria in deciding whether or not to take a job. My bf and I have been talking about buying his fathers house in OC (and I love OC and love living in a suburban area after growing up in a big city, and living in big cities all my life and now living in a very residential area). We live, we learn :). I live in the Philly burbs and commute via public transit into Center City. I also did the South LA-the Valley commute for grad school. But 1.5-2 hours each way? I said above how I am not sure we do trains that well in this country!! They both kept going back and forth about which route is better, which one takes less time, etc. My husband (with the 2 hour commute) leaves before daycare opens, and gets home after it closes. A lot of people, a lot of cars, not a lot of trains, and limited road options because of the terrain. Peak hours? Small company full of hip millennials who are transplants and live in WeHo. I ultimately left a job I LOVED because the commute was not sustainable after 18 months. No chance I would drive that every day. Like most long commuters, my drive home was the worst and one little fender bender could tack another hour on my drive. I work in Pasadena, where you need to earn about 2.5x the living wage in order to get by. Also, I wonder, how long is your boyfriends commute? My commute is 1 hour, but its on the bus so I get to spend the time as I like. Its best if you can avoid freeways too. Our population has outpaced transit infrastructure loading, LA did not invest in public transit earlier, and theres an effective moratorium on building more freeways on the west side and in City of LA (and its adjoining communities). With a handful of transitional weeks as the exception, Ive had anywhere from a 5-30 minute commute the entire time in LA. When I lived in Seattle (suburbs!) Audiobooks are common. I regret doing this to myself, so much. A lot of my coworkers did the same. In that case, subway and bus! My commute averages 30 minutes to 45 minutes each way on average, although when SoCal was on fire it took me nearly 3 hours. I could never do more than 30-35 minutes. Its not just the length of the drive; its also how stressful it is, and sitting in traffic is always stressful. Plus I got hungry on that long commute. The San Francisco Bay area is similar, even with having many more public transport options. Its not the neighborhoods so much that are the problem (youre not usually spending much time in those neighborhoods) but the people riding the train. What kind of life is that? Best trade I have ever made. I dont think there is anything wrong with looking for a position closer to where you live. Yes some people accept it and do it. What I have found in many cities Ive lived, including Los Angeles, is that even though a circuitous surface route might be slightly more miles, it can often be quicker than taking the freeway. I have no good advice, just sympathy! Im work in Milwaukee and live in the suburbs. Ive been lucky in that Ive very often lived walking or bicycling distance from work (although my definition of bicycling distance is probably a lot longer than other peoples). Lombard to Deerfield is a haul, congrats on finding something closer. The 2 hours doesnt surprise me at all. All our commute stories dont help you much. Ive only ever lived/worked in the Midwest. Itll go down to 40 minutes when shes in college. Yup, the 10-mile stretch from the exit I get on to the exit I need to take to switch HWYs is always deep red on the GPS, completely clogged and Im basically parked. Originally in Great Recession times, you took a job where the job was and found a way to get there. If I were able to walk straight onto each form of transport from the other then the 1.5 hour journey would have taken less than an hour (bus-train-tube). And if your car breaks down, it's gonna be a difficult and lengthy public transport commute to work. Have you considered buying a motorcycle, moped or bicycle? Even if it was normal for the area, that means the area is terrible and I wouldnt want to live or work there. Here I am cranky because my new job means I cant walk to work anymore. Unfortunately its a very really problem in California and one were actually thinking about leaving because of it along with the high cost of living. . Hes pretty much resigned to the fact that hes going to have a commute wherever he lands. BUT I suppose the flip side is that for commuting 30 miles, it sounds about right. I got tired of leaving 20 minutes early just in case (even though in the end my bike ride took the same amount of time, it was just more consistent). Everyone highway has traffic other cars being on the road doesnt mean everyone has to drive slowly. I used to get on the Expo line at 6am. Id just say that you should see if you can find a new job before you quit. Its more common/normal than folks think, though (this is the problem with averagesvery short commutes and long commutes offset each other). I previously lived in Shoreline, the town immediately north of Seattle. Ive had several coworkers with 1.5 hour to 2 hour commutes. Do you have any ability to move closer to work? Southern California is wonderful, but the traffic is just miserable, but again, it is a trade off for living there. Not entirely true- it depends on where in the Bay Area- and if you can afford to be 30 min away- I was in Solano County- and wages are on the low side- it would have made more financial sense for me to look in Contra Costa- but that commute was 45-90 minutes one way depending on the way the Traffic flowed (and I wouldnt have made nearly enough to move to Co-Co county). Then I would pretty much go to bed and head out about 8:15-8:30 in the morning. You forgot all of the American citizens (from all over) with legal licenses who drive like utter shit. If its an option to exit, Id go for a longer way around just to keep from sitting it traffic for 2 hours. If I moved to the mountains, barring a resort town I found find the same Im sure. Only you know what you are able to deal with, and its ok if you dont want to do it. That sounds like waaaaay too much time to me! But, thats because I work 7-3 or 3:30 and get in about 6:30-6:45. I now live 9 miles from my work and my commute is 45 minutes. There was a thread in a Friday open thread awhile back where everyone shared their commute times: https://www.askamanager.org/2016/03/open-thread-march-18-19-2016.html. I dont think a 2-hour commute is normal, per se, in LA, but the few friends of mine whove suffered hour-plus commutes moved closer or quit their jobs; its generally not a sustainable commute to go more than an hour, from what Ive seen. I do have to drop the tiny human at the daycare which adds a whopping 15 minutes. From there, it's a simple matter to take your salary and factor in hard commuting costs, like gasoline (see a good guide here) - according to Salary.com, " the average employee incurs an annual "commuting gas" cost of $1,483 per year. With my next job, my commute was only 30 minutes on a highway with very little traffic, and it was SO much better. Home by 7-8PM Just dont make the mistake I did and listen to The Road and Beloved back to back driving on desolate roads in a bleak New England January. Commuters into NYC from NJ could have a 1.5-2 hour commute (I have), but its usually all on public transit, so you at least get that time to read/sleep/whatever. Im lucky in that, as soon as I get into London, its one train all the way. my first job ever was 2 hrs each way and it bled my soul dry haha. +1 My commute to work is about 9 miles and usually takes about 40-50 minutes, but can easily be over an hour on a bad day. I commute from a northern suburb of Seattle down to Redmond every day (about 20 miles), and it takes me anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours each way, depending on the weather, accidents, etc. Although, when I did commute on public transit the trains were messed up about 80% of the time, which was very frustrating (South West Trains! Three times now Waze has decided to reroute me (traveling from south Orange County north to eastern LA County area) away from the 5 FWY and up through Santiago Canyon Roadat midnight so that I can shave 2 minutes off my drive. My commute is outlandish for here in New England. It always took at least 45-60 minutes. I cannot stand commuting, especially by car. My current commute from the northwest corner of OC to the south Irvine area takes me 45 minutes and I think this is roughly standard for this general area. We looked at rent in the bay area (my wife was thinking about applying for some companies there) and noped out. More time to read & crochet. But what counts as the Bay Area is also constantly expanding to include farther flung cities in the Central Valley, North Bay, and South Bay. LA does have public transportation systems, HOV lanes and toll roads to help ease traffic, but they are really inefficient, inadequate and expensive as you get further away into the suburbs so there isnt a big incentive for people to use them. It is pretty crappy considering right out side this densely populated area, driving is a breeze all either very rural or highway. An alternative, if you like biking, might be to bike to work would be the same amount of time! It might be normal for an area, but that doesnt mean its a good thing. I would maybe do a practise run at the time youll normally be driving if youre unsure. I had a long distance job and I was able to survive through it with carpooling. Thats ridiculous, seriously thats 20 hours a week driving. In 1990. I live in LB too. I misread it, I thought she meant she was getting up that early to go to the gym and THEN commuting to work! Having more/less freeway time, more/less surface street time, time of day youre coming and going, whether youre traveling with or against the bulk of traffic in the areas youre in makes a HUGE difference. I cant tolerate a life where I live 90 minutes from the things I like and/or need to get to. Evening commute (after 6 pm) is actually a little faster average is 45 minutes, up to 70 minutes. Those trips are close to an hour even late at night because its not all highway. She was trying to get out of the traffic. Hes probably not so well known in America, but I recommend pretty much anything from the British comedian David Mitchell too. That aside though, if both you and the guy work in LA, why not just move there? That said, the days where the commute gets over 1 hour are tough, and I definitely couldnt do that twice a day. Mr. Town used to live in Atlanta and would like to move back (family), but now, having gotten used to our level of traffic and commute, it is going to take a lot for us to actually get back there. Yeah, if it was breezing through traffic at least but nope. Even then, traffic here was pretty heavy. After work hours? During busier projects, their preference is to be in more regularly. was I wrong to be put off by interviewing on Bring Your Kids to Work Day? I vowed to never drive more than 30 mins each way (on a regular basis, there always can be exceptions) and have actually chosen to live really close to my jobs since then. Its limiting my job search, but I know I will be happier for it in the long run. I lived in the Seattle area a couple years where I rented and had a 45-1hr commute. Even 1-2 days a week avoiding that mess can make you feel a lot better. Its easier when LAUSD is on their various school breaks and also during the summer, but 2 hours to get 30 miles actually sounds normal and about right, depending on which freeways you have to take. :) I now live and work in the same borough of NYC. That was years ago. That commute is costing you more than four hours a day stuck in traffic: It costs you the hours you would have spent preparing meals, doing errands, taking care of your house/apartment. If you give more specifics about where youre at I might be able to recommend areas that make sense to job hunt! I tell people the car I drive is not nearly nice enough to want to spend a significant portion of my life in it! A 3 hour daily commute really starts to eat into your free time. He drives, takes a bus to Dublin and takes BART from there. Now, where I live (Alabama) my commute is like 10 minutes. When the commute impacts your quality of life its definitely time to think of solutions. For me the cost of living is a trade off I am willing to take to not spend my life commuting. That was one train ride with a walk on both ends. how much social media use at work is too much? The boyfriend grew up there and told OP how it was. Like can they really not fathom that other people have different thoughts and feelings than they do. Here's what some on Reddit answered with: 1) User Banshee251- "It's doable. Mine is pretty average, then. 4! Ive also taken the local Transbay bus into the city at other times. The worst might have been a twenty minute commute that required three different trains, travelling in a U shape. People love to gripe about traffic, but it only will make you feel worse. I still have trouble with long drives because I find them exhausting, and its been 3.5 years. That said, commutes dont *have* to be that long even in this part of the country. The longest commute Ive ever had was an hour each way, and I regret doing it even for the 2.5 years I did, because it really impacted my stress levels and quality of life. our employee is taking nude photos in our office and posting them to Facebook, company says only moms can work at home, was I rude for turning down a carpool, and more, overreaching wellness meetings, rambling coworker monopolizing trainings, and more. What youve described is pretty much my husbands schedule. I used to have a 65 minute commute for my first professional job. When I move 5 miles further, I will need to switch jobs because that extra 5 miles will add an hour to my commute. But it is getting worse. Theres tons of people here in the same area disagreeing that 2 hours one way is normal. This is fabulous. I used to commute from Pomona to Pasadena, about 30 miles. 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2 hour commute twice a week