But for arguments sake let's take the larger of the two - the certified capacity number of both passengers and crew. When the 42. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. 5. Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. Their error is simple: actually Titanic would have been the same tonnage as Olympic i.e. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . (Click image to see the full, enlarged photograph). Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. 20. 3. Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. Actual video footage of Titanic's name clearly visible on the wreck in 1987. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. But what do the 'experts' think? This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Why only them? Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . Mark's." Let's examine an 'actual' documented photograph of Titanic's starboard forward B-deck: Titanic's starboard side, taken around noon on April 11th, 1912, as she is anchored outside Queenstown, Ireland, to take on passengers. This is one of several undocumented, unreferenced claims. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship Difference in port side joint plating They would only be interested in shorter crossings. And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. Olympic officers on the bridge Difference in tonnage 7. He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail The Chief Mate put Paddy in charge of her full speed if the weather cooperated. 45,000) in the last eight years. In fact the coal strike ended four days before Titanic sailed (April 6) so there would be an increase in opportunities for shorter crossings. The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. Alleged footage of Olympic's name on the wreck - it is obviously fake. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch In the following photographs we can clearly see a curved wheelhouse under construction during Olympic's fitting out stage, firstly just prior to launch and secondly after the launch. Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? (This is something I have noticed. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Olympic had 16 bow portholes. Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. Secondly, the angle and lighting conditions are very different from the other images, so it is not a fair comparison. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory 19. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic There are two key issues with this story. The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking But they were cut short for several good reasons. james fenton titanic. 5 on starboard. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck Author Steve Hall: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic.". Well it first must be noted that compared to the He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. Olympic's name is on the wreck However, this was not unique to Titanic. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Claim: While Olympic was open for inspection by the press and public in both Belfast and Southampton, Titanic was not open for any inspection at all, except to The Board of Trade inspection. Did they think they would just stand there and watch? The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 18. Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets . The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. name on it. ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". However, Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. Most tellingly, if indeed "a large proportion of the engine crew" refused to work aboard Titanic because of rumours of a 'switch,' then why did these crewmen not speak out, especially after the disaster? surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one Toggle navigation. (courtesy Steve Hall), According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, "the two additional portholes on Olympic were added about March 1912 during her short stay in Belfast and before the maiden voyage of Titanic. 3 additional double-ended boilers were lit up about 8 a.m. (although they take 12 hours before they are put online) and he was sure that the ships five auxiliary There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. Mr Reginald Fenton Butler was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England over the summer months of 1886. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. there is no proof that a man of that name was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists . Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. Olympic was the first to be launched, pronounced the largest and most luxuriest ship in the world. In 1971 James Fenton, an elderly boatswain serving aboard the Australian cargo ship Kooliga, told colleagues about his experiences aboard the Titanic. Importantly, Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the, 49. It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Deck plans had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. Even more conclusively, a New York Times newspaper article of Thursday 28th March 1912 reveals that in March "J. Pierpont Morgan has written a cordial letter to And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." In fact, White Stars profit Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. Captain Smith on Titanic Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). Far from the wisdom of the brain. 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